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Originally posted by Aspiring mogul
Maybe I should try to create my own world.
You are always looking for and citing examples of other
filmmakers who have done something. There are many
examples of producers who have created their own,
original film, shot a short and received funding to make
a feature.
I, too, think you should try to create your own world as a
proof of concept.
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The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress.
Joseph Joubert, essayist (1754-1824)
They're talking about a Batman TV show.
But you're right - an original show would be better as a proof of concept. Let's discuss it.
BTW, I use other producers' work because that's how I learn, by using case studies. That's at least as important as learning theory.
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You are always looking for and citing examples of other
filmmakers who have done something. There are many
examples of producers who have created their own,
original film, shot a short and received funding to make
a feature.I, too, think you should try to create your own world as a
proof of concept.
Good idea. Any case studies? I'd love to see how they did Hawaii Five-O in the 1960's, or I Love Lucy a decade earlier. ?:)?
Sorry. No case studies for TV.
My mistake. I realize you are specifically talking about creating a TV
series and I was talking about film. TV is a very different set of challenges.
You really have to be an insider to get a show on the air. I don't know of
any sitcom or one hour that were started from a complete outsider making
a "spec" pilot.
From what I have read, Hawaii Five-O was started in the same way series
today are started. A writer with dozens of credits gets the opportunity to
become a producer. After years of success as a producer and executive
producer he pitches a series idea and is given a shot. Most likely after
a dozen no go pitches.
We all know how I Love Lucy started.
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Originally posted by Aspiring mogul
They're talking about a Batman TV show.
And they are not looking to the makers of fan films, even really good ones,
to find the show runner or even the writers or directors.
A good path to look at is Alfred Gough. Not a household name and maybe
not a name you are familiar with. But look at his IMDb profile and you will
see a very typical path from out of the loop to series creator. He started as
a reader.
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The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress.
Joseph Joubert, essayist (1754-1824)
CI, what you say makes perfect sense,and it jibes with my professional experience.There are very high hurdles indeed, but I am willng to consider either TV and/or film - I'm keeping my options open.
How was I Love Lucy started? I know the general biography, but I don't know what you're referring to.
That's what I meant - a hit radio show, then a TV series. Quite common
in those days.
My advice would be to stick to film. A good short can generate enough
interest to get funding for a feature. A successful feature could generate
interest in a TV series. Breaking into TV as a producer with a spec pilot
just isn't a realistic option. If you want to start as a reader, move writers
assistant, then spend several years as a freelance then staff writer, then
supervising producer, then producer then executive producer THEN pitch
your TV series, that is a tried and successful method. But half hour fan
film to TV series show runner? Not gonna happen.
As a mogul you don't need to have the great idea, you just need to find
the writer who does....
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The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress.
Joseph Joubert, essayist (1754-1824)
I'd agree. But my strategy is also based on the internet becoming even more important in the next decade, which could be a game changer. I'm keeping my options open for a web series or for a web movie.
I'm also seriously thinking of moving to California, as opposed to NY.
I don't think that web is going to generate additional audiences that don't exist today. In other words, the market is reasonably saturated with scripted entertainment today, so whoever is trying to enter that showbiz market is essentially competing against those in it; in other words, it is a zero-sum game. And currently, web doesn't provide efficient and intuitive ways to monetize on your entertainment content. Practically the only way it is done today is via online advertising, which can only make meaningful money with huge audiences.
With all the technology and new media, this branch of show business (film and TV) is still solidly rooted in the traditional business model.
We're drifting off to a new (and interesting) topic. Should we start a new thread? 🙂
To get back to this OP, I'd like to know some details of the cost of this Batman film. OK, it cost about $27,000.00, but was it so low because the producers had made a series of such films, or was it also because they have been doing much other stuff, so much of the equipment was already paid for? IOW, if someone like me had done it, would I have been able to do it for $27,000.00 or would there have been other startup costs?
They did a series, and Prisoner J, by the way, was drawn out and boring, though the ending was a nice twist.
I doubt any of the $27,000 was start up costs. For projects like this it's very rare
for the producer to own equipment. It's much better to rent.
I think someone like you could do it for $27,000
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The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress.
Joseph Joubert, essayist (1754-1824)
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The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress.
Joseph Joubert, essayist (1754-1824)
Hmmm, I have some ideas for short movies, which would hopefully become so successful I would be the next George Lucas.
I have watched "Empire of Dreams" many times, by the way, and that's a good case study. So maybe I should start with shorts or low-budget full-length movies, and see where it goes from there, just as CI has suggested. Or maybe a series of shorts, so they would be like a TV series of sorts.
Aaron has release the first part to his next Bat episode, "Seeds of Arkham". It's only 8 minutes long, as opposed to 30 minutes for "City of Scars", and he's looking for funding.
?url? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xli2l0_seeds-of-arkham_shortfilms?/url?
This intro is pretty impressive, and, this time, Batman has a Batmobile, as opposed to a Bat-cycle in the previous feature. The action is very good, but, with 8 minutes of story telling, there's not much in the way of character development. furthermore, he's spreading himself too thin with too many villians - I know the characters because I'm a Batman fan, but, even if he had funding for a full-length feature, he should only focus his story on no more than two storylines.
