When I get in to the shooting stage of my production I will be using mostly un experienced actors to play the majority of my characters. Ive pretty much got a good idea how I am going to get the best performances that I can from them, I plan to coax a performance out of them by giving them free reign of creativity. I want there actions to look as realistic and natural as possible which Is why I want them to do, as opposed to act. Also I think that it is also a good idea to be voyeuristic, by filming them as often as possible and not tell them that the camera is still filming them to capture their natural actions. For example there?s a scene where three girls are sitting around laughing, I intend to make them laugh for real and film it without their knowledge. In my mind this would seems like a pretty effective way to make a film, but saying that I have only got experience making films in groups when I was at college. Which is why I want to know about your own experiences. What would you say is the best way to go about directing un trained actors? Cleary.
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I had decent results by letting the untrained actors improv a bit. That is don't be a stickler to the exact letter of each line as long as the important meanings come through. That way they worried less about memorizing and fit their own speach patterns to the words. The problem with this is you might end up with different versions with each take.
RJSchwarz
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Treat them like a gods, but not to the extent that it will go to their heads.
Do NOT under ANY circumstances overwork them.
RJs right, let them improv, worry about continuity later. Just make sure they get your point across.
Is the entire film being filmed in the voyeuristic style?
You could do it like a French New Wave film. Like the infamous car scene from Breathless. Might be kind of spiffy, though jump cuts tend to not be popular these days.
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New waves good but I feel that I need to learn the basics of practical film making and gain as much experience as I can get before I start trying to change things. As for the voyeurism theory, I'm thinking more along the lines of doing it to capture emotions that they find harder to portray. I did consider trying to experiment with styles of film making, though I opted in my business plan to try it when I have got a better sence of how best to put a production together. My short term goal is to learn from my first production to better my second, and after that i'll probs start thinking about Nouvelle vague, Noir and looking at other was of moving away from traditional filmmaking. Cleary
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So, only parts are going to be voyeuristic and the rest is going to be typically shot with lighting and such?
Is this guerilla or is it studio?
It may look kind of strange flipping back and forth between voeuristic shots with natural lighting and studio shots with studio lighting.
you could just do a voyeur film. Might be kind of interesting. Actually thats a good idea, well, now I have a new project i guess.
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In the previouse conv you asked "Is this guerilla or is it studio?" I'm not really sure what you meant by guerilla, what dose it mean? Dose it just mean independant? Cleary
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it means just like doing everything makeshift and kinda figuring out things as you go. no real plan, just winging it
it means just like doing everything makeshift and kinda figuring out things as you go. no real plan, just winging it
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Originally posted by papercut
it means just like doing everything makeshift and kinda figuring out things as you go. no real plan, just winging it
Thanks for the reply, in terms of the previouse question about guerilla filmmaking, its all planned out thuroughrly. I have a profesional photographer to d my lighting set up. Cleary
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Originally posted by swordofdoom
So, only parts are going to be voyeuristic and the rest is going to be typically shot with lighting and such?
Is this guerilla or is it studio?
It may look kind of strange flipping back and forth between voeuristic shots with natural lighting and studio shots with studio lighting.That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough! I'm going to clown college!
I think what Cleary means is he will set up the shot and have the actors chilling on set in the positions he wants. Then all relaxed he'll turn on the camera, and make em laugh.
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Originally posted by swordofdoom
Treat them like a gods, but not to the extent that it will go to their heads.
Do NOT under ANY circumstances overwork them.
RJs right, let them improv, worry about continuity later. Just make sure they get your point across.Is the entire film being filmed in the voyeuristic style?
You could do it like a French New Wave film. Like the infamous car scene from Breathless. Might be kind of spiffy, though jump cuts tend to not be popular these days.That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough! I'm going to clown college!
The film "Irreversible" was also shot improv, including the horrific rape scene (which by the way was done with Monica Belucci and her husband as the rapist). I did not care for the improv dizzying nature of the way the film was done but it shows it can be done.
Spinal Tap, Best in Show and others were done almost entirely improv. In each they only had a very rough script detailing what the scenes would be about so the movies had structure, then the actors would improv (in character of course). Apparantly there are something like 300 hours of Spinal Tap film nobody has scene. A lot of it is probably scenes similar to the ones that made into the final cut, others jokes that fell flat.
Of course the group involved is an improv comedy group and everything which helps.
RJSchwarz
San Diego, CA
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Originally posted by papercut
it means just like doing everything makeshift and kinda figuring out things as you go. no real plan, just winging it
Bingo. Using your surroundings and what you have as opposed to spending a shitload of money on stuff you will use once and probably never again. Its good for us poor bohemians. You can have a smaller more intimate crew of people working for a common ideal as opposed to a plethora of people who don't all know each other or have a personal connection to the film. Its like the filmmkers version of Marxism.
Though I argue on the planning thing, I only make guerilla films and each has to be exstensivly planned, the difference is flexibility. When something doesn't go as planned in a studio shot film, its a crisis, where as guerilla film, you factor it in and come to expect it. Its cynical filmmaking, where the only law is Murphy's Law: "Anything that can go wrong, will."
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Originally posted by Beowulf
I did not care for the improv dizzying nature of the way the film was done but it shows it can be done.
Really? I found it easier to connect to on a personal level, I mean seriously, how often are people always having a conversation like what we frequently see in film nowadays? They don't. I would rather watch two people having a normal, rambling, all over the place conversation then a very obviously pitched conversation which always has to forward the plot. People just don't talk like that. I find it fascinating to watch two people just have a normal conversation on screen. Its like voyeurism, only minus whatever legal problems would arise.
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Originally posted by rizzo
I think what Cleary means is he will set up the shot and have the actors chilling on set in the positions he wants. Then all relaxed he'll turn on the camera, and make em laugh.
...???...the fog thickens...but..but...thats just...strange...I thought he meant just sort of stalk them and catch them laughing out of context...now I'm just all confused...?V?...
CLEARY WHAT IS GOING ON MATE!?!?! LETS GET SPECIFIC!!!
Lay it out lad, in full text, what exactly is the plan now?
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