I could be wrong but I think the law says the toymakers have to add the orange thing, I don't think it says anything about your removing them. If you add the gunfire noises and flashes in post-production and act intelligently if any police show up at your shoot you shouldn't have any problems.

If you want a definitive answer take a printout of that webpage to the cops local to where you will be shooting and ask them.

Anyone else?

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Originally posted by airwalk331
I would black out the tip, but I would like to do it legally. Who do I need to talk about this?

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Getting advice on this board may be interesting but if you want to know the real, legal answer, I'm pretty sure you know who you should ask.

My non legal, inexperienced answer is: I think it's illegal to alter the fake guns in California.

Once you ask, airwalk, it'd be really cool if you came back to the boards and told us what you learned.

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New law regarding toy and prop guns was recently passed in California:

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Section 12556, Part (a) "No person may openly display or expose any imitation firearm, as defined in Section 12550, in a public place."

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(d) "Subdivision (a) shall not apply to the following, when the imitation firearm is:"
(13) "A device where the entire exterior surface of the device is white, bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright green, bright blue, bright pink, or bright purple, either singly or as the predominant color in combination with other colors in any pattern, or where the entire device is constructed of transparent or translucent materials which permits unmistakable observation of the device's complete contents. Merely having an orange tip as provided in federal law and regulations does not satisfy this requirement. The entire surface must be colored or transparent or translucent."

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12550
(c) "Imitation firearm" means any BB device, toy gun, replica of a firearm, or other device that is so substantially similar in coloration and overall appearance to an existing firearm as to lead a reasonable person to perceive that the device is a firearm.

12555
(c) As used in this section, "imitation firearm" does not include any of the following:
(1) A nonfiring collector's replica that is historically significant, and is offered for sale in conjunction with a wall plaque or presentation case.

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12556.(a) No person may openly display or expose any imitation firearm, as defined in Section 12550, in a public place.
(d) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to the following, when the imitation firearm is:

(7) Used at fairs, exhibitions, expositions, or other similar activities for which a permit has been obtained from a local or state government.

(10) Used in parades, ceremonies, or other similar activities for which a permit has been obtained from a local or state government.

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(e) For purposes of this section, the term "public place" means an area open to the public and includes streets, sidewalks, bridges, alleys, plazas, parks, driveways, front yards, parking lots, automobiles, whether moving or not, and buildings open to the general public, including those that serve food or drink, or provide entertainment, and the doorways and entrances to buildings or dwellings

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A gun with an orange tip is no longer considered legal under this new law in California. To be legal, get a permit.

That law may only be enforced in california. But I think that when you edit your movie, you might could cover the orange part with flashes. Personaly though, I would just spray paint the tips black and forget about it. I have been stoped by the Cops and other forms or athority before and I have found that if you say its for a school project or some tipe of youth group, they usualy let you slide.

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