They havent won multiple awards....he's know as "the master of horror" because he made flippin LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT. It's an exploitation, snuff flick that would be reviled in any day. I don't have to have respect for old filmmakers....the respect is for those who revolutionized their genres and uplifted the art form. John Carpenter's original HALLOWEEN owns Wes Cravens splatter films. Hitchcock owns them all in both horror and suspense.

A tool for improving the human condition...

well hitchcock cant be beat...halloween isnt a splatter flick??? did you see wes craven's red eye??? virtually no blood there. and you seriously dont think wes craven helped revolutionize the whole monster horror genre

?url? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111686/awards?/url?

go there and you will see that New Nightmare won best horror and was nominated for various other awards...and thats just one of his movies

"I believe the cinema is one of our principal forms of art. It is an incredibly powerful way to tell uplifitng stories that can move people to cry with joy and inspire them to reach for the stars."-Wes Craven

Back on topic:
What if the old "yoda-like" Islamic guy did not leave, but was killed by some anti-terrorism thing or something Government related (even though he wasn't even a terrorist). So this kid actually becomes a terrorist to get revenge for his friends death.

Just a thought, and good luck with it all.

Hall if you are going to judge people on their signatures you should look at your own. It comes off as egotistical. Then again so do your posts. You come off as an angry yapping dog who thinks he knows everything. You will find that most people ignore yappy dogs or give them a kick. Good luck with your recovery, your running, your film and your life because you are going to need every break possible to get over your own ego.

RJSchwarz
San Diego, CA

I like The Company's idea. Cause then you could turn that part of the film into an very emotional section. It could be a inner struggle that the kid has to decide what he has to do and if he should get revenge or not. Personally, i would have him seek revenge and go through with it but in the process kill himself. Maybe strap bombs to himself or shoot people then himself. Once again, you could make that very dramatic.

"I believe the cinema is one of our principal forms of art. It is an incredibly powerful way to tell uplifitng stories that can move people to cry with joy and inspire them to reach for the stars."-Wes Craven

You RJ, don't ever call me a dog. I wouldn't ever call you a dog. That's extremely mean. Also, I don't think I know everything, but I have a right to get defensive, given how the first thing i ever posted on here...simply asking for some help...was replied to by someone basically saying I know NOTHING because I'm not some old, unaccomplished fart like many of the people on here. By the way, my signature is a Gerry Lindgren quote and it isn't egotistical, because the man earned the right to say his self expression was a tool for improving the human condition.

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Jesus, Christ RJ. That really hurt. I really wish you wouldnt have said a thing about my running and recovery. You have absolutely no idea what I've been through these past 3 months and it really hurts me that you'd say that. I know who you are, btw. I would never say that about another runner or use his setback as a base for my cruelty.

A tool for improving the human condition...

BTW, I wasn't judging him based on his sig. He asked what had struck such a chord and I jokingly said, "You have a Wes Craven quote for your sig." Because I hate Wes Craven. He is one of my least liekd filmmakers....EVER. I can't see anythign good that he's done and his "groundbreaking" "top" work has all been a bunch of mysogany. Until the last 10 years, he's exploited his characters and their suffering for himself to enjoy. I seriously don't like he guy, but it was a joke.

A tool for improving the human condition...

Yapping dog is a metaphor, its not the same thing as calling you a dog. A yapping dog would tend to have a thicker skin though so the metaphor is probably wrong and I apologize.

Why did you take my comments about your running as mean spirited? That was not the intent, it's your ego I was hoping to deflate because you sound like a smart kid who has been through a lot but you also come off as impossible to like.

RJSchwarz
San Diego, CA

alright lets settle some things. First, i never said you know NOTHING. what i meant was that you dont know as much as you think you do. i was never calling you a bad filmmaker. in reality im sure your very good but lets not argue that since we already did. second, Hall, as a suggestion, if you are pissed about what somebody said to you dont retaliate. It never makes you look like the bigger man it just makes you look cocky. Third, what i posted to you in the beginning is typical of this forum and nobody has had a problem with it, except you. I dont think i was being really negative, you just need to be able to take some critisim. Not to mention its very tough to tell what type of tone people have since this is on line, which also adds to the problem. Last thing, by calling the majority of these people "old farts" isnt going to solve anything. If its going to do anything its gonna make things worst. So my advice to you, if you dont like something dont say anything back, unless its something reall really offensive which nothing on here has been. Also you can get most of these peoples email adresses so you can harass them via email (even thoughi dont suggest it) that will also avoid us wasting up the posters time with this crazy banter.

"I believe the cinema is one of our principal forms of art. It is an incredibly powerful way to tell uplifitng stories that can move people to cry with joy and inspire them to reach for the stars."-Wes Craven

Okay guys.

Let?s keep it civil. We?re all here to help each other out.

rj - I applaud you for making the apology. I understood your metaphor.

robi - take a little breather, please. Hall doesn?t like you, you?re not going to change his mind. You?re a great contributor to this board. Please don?t play this game.

Hall - most of the people here are not ?old, unaccomplished farts?. Most of the people here are learning filmmakers who are willing to help out other learning filmmakers. I understand how you were hurt by rj?s comment. That doesn?t give you the opening to hurt others. This is now the second time I?ve asked you to cool it.

This place has been really cool and fun for a long time. Let's all try to keep it that way.

I?m not going to lock this thread and I?m not going to ban anyone. I am respectfully asking that you each stop calling names.

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The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress.
Joseph Joubert, essayist (1754-1824)

While people take a few deep breaths and get over themselves it might be an idea to take this back on topic coz i think that the basic premise of pquery's film is good and relevant. You said you want it to be a character study rather than political. I maybe wrong but i think the central question is What makes someone become and extremist, become a terrorist? Even if i have the wrong end of the stick unless you slick in lots of cool shooting etc & make it a brain dead action thang then if that bit isn't believable then people aren't going buy anything else in the film.

I exercise my right to fail.

The Company's idea about having the older man get killed by anti-terrorism agents I thought was really cool. It would also be nice to lead the audience one way in the beginning by making them think that he is a bad guy then come to realize he wasnt. by throwing the role of antagonist around it keeps people on their toes. I really like this story idea. If only it was big budget it sounds like it could compete with Munich or Syriana, or other Mid-east/terror themed movies. Good job. Let us know when you get more of it worked out.

This film cost $31 million. With that kind of money I could have invaded some country.
? Clint Eastwood

I could not read the replies from certian point. Because they turned in to sensless debate...

I am muslim and I live in Turkey. I studied in Canda, graduated high school and attented a college. And I am pretty sure I know the sole of my religion. If I did not, believe me I would not be muslim today.

I find the story very powerfull and the timing is very good. But you need to know what exactly Islam is? Is there any terrorism in Islam? Is becoming muslim in desprate situation really makes you true believer? What is really believing in Islam? What Koran tells? What Propher Mohammed tells? and so on... I can answer all these questions. And if there is a question that I can not answer, I can definetly find some one who can or a source how to find the answer.

If you make this movie without knowing what you really are triying tell in your story that just makes your movie a clone of other terrorist movies.

I am new-be film maker. If you really want to make this movie, I really like to help you in anyway I can.

www.imengi.com

Here's something for the subtext....

It was not Muslims who committed 9/11.

Although I am not Muslim, I believe (and I was told by a Muslim freind) Muslim's are peaceful and do not believe in violence. This is the issue; how can you call yourself Muslim? It contradicts the fundamental ideology of Islam.
Osama Bin Laden has no right to call himself a Muslim.
As filmmakers we need to open our eyes and ears, show our audiences
the truth, not follow the mass media corporation "spin".

Be a brave filmmaker.

Kris Kerehona