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(@pianoman66)
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I am a high school student and I need to green screen a pianola. I am after some advice on how to do it affectively.

What I would like to do is to place the pianola in a forest and have it playing.

The shot I would like to achieve is this:

The camera is low and it looks like someone is running through the forest
The camera comes to a stop at the edge of a clearing and pans around to see a pianola playing

The shot then zooms out showing the pianola in full in the forest and then continues to zoom out until the edges of a doorway can be seen. The door swings shut.

Essentially, it is meant to look like the forest with the piano is in a room.

It realise that this requires two separate green screenings (the pianola, and the doorway)
However, I don't know how the green screen the pianola.

I was going to set it up like this:
Have the 3m X 3m green screen on the wall and the piano about 2 - 3metres in front of it.
As I cant have the green screen under the piano and light it effectively, and also, someone needs to pedal, i was going to pan to piano on an angle and only show the top half.
I want to have two spotlights from each side of the green screen and one light on the piano

Now, I don't know how to cut to the next zooming out shot of the piano. There will be no one pedalling in this shot, but I cant show the bottom of the piano as there is no green screen material under it. I really would like a zooming out shot of just a random piano in the middle of the forest.

I have filmed a section of forest from locked cameras from about four angles on an overcast day.

For the doorway shot I was just going to hang the material inside the room, giving enough room for the door to close

I am using Final Cut Express, but don't really know how to green screen yet. I also think I will need to garbage matte as well? What does this mean?

I am doing this right? I don't know what else to do, I appreciate any help you can give me!
Thanks

 
Posted : 05/09/2010 12:36 am
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Few things are important for keying:

- shoot your footage in progessive mode.
I don't know what (kind of) camera you use, but fullHD at 4:2:2 would be preferable: 4:2:2 has more 'colorinfo' which makes it easier to key. I don't know what the format of the end result has to be, but shooting at 1080p and downsizing has one big advantage: possible borderlines get smaller too.

- check whether the piano 'fits' the green screen when placing is on your desired position. But be aware not to move it too close to the greenscreen, because it may cause spill (the green will reflect green light to your subject if you place it too close to the screen)

Sometims you must cheat to get things workable 😉 :
- when zooming out is making things difficult: maybe a cut to a total is a solution. Perhaps some one can mask that shot for you in After Effects if you can't key it?
- if the pedal is causing headaches: ignore the pedal

I'm not very familiair with FC Express so I can't anwser these questions...

Good luck!

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Posted : 09/09/2010 12:49 pm
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BTW, maybe you can find a lotof anwsers in here:
http://www.filmmaking.net/discussion/forums/go/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10204

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Posted : 09/09/2010 2:03 pm
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If I understand correctly, it sounds like you'll have to shoot the piano separately with a green screen and comp it in with the rest of your shot. So:

1) when shooting your chromakey footage of the piano, you'll have to work hard to match the camera angle from which you'd be viewing it if you were standing in the position of where your camera filmed the forest footage.

2) use a lot of diffused light to create the overcast lighting. That is, unless you can get the piano outside on an overcast day to shoot, to math the green screen lighting near-perfectly. You can find out more about this here: ?url="http://chromakeygreen.org/green-screen-lighting/green-screen-lighting-standard-setup"?green screen lighting?/url?

3) And, as WalterB said, shoot the chromakey footage in fullHD if possible. Higher resolution is better when you will be keying your shots.

With that shot, it's just a matter of compositing the different pieces of footage together using chromakey software to apply the effect.

hope that helps ya

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Posted : 06/12/2010 9:08 am
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Excellent first post, David.

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Posted : 06/12/2010 11:36 am
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I think the way you have described it sounds good.
I think the issue with the pedal can be solved practically - Surely the forest floor was just mainly dead leaves? So could you not cover the section of floor under the pedals with leaves to create a forest floor - Shooting it from a slightly high angle at first as you pan up will mean you do not need a vertical background.

Secondly for the door I agree you should have a greenscreen just inside the door. Then:
1) render the first shot creating the piano in the forest
2) Then chroma key the door shot and put Clip 1 behind it.

Rob - UK

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Posted : 09/12/2010 2:51 pm
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This may be basic but I've had my best success with green screen when I've had several high output lights dedicated solely to the green screen (to get it completely evenly lit) and have used a big monitor rather than looking through the viewfinder to check it (there is always a slight difference).

Also, separating the subject from the green screen with separate lights is critical. I saw somewhere that AE had a new keying feature that looked amazing...maybe too good to be true, but the subject was lit so as to be as "separate" as possible from the green screen and it looked like it worked pretty well.

 
Posted : 07/01/2011 2:49 pm
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I'm going to suggest that you visit www.cinematography.com and do a search for "green screen" for more research.

In general, your green should be lit separately from any of your talent or items to be keyed. You also want the green to be far enough away from the subjects to avoid getting green kickback that could make it more difficult to cut the key later in post.

And to be sure that you are lighting the green properly, you should NOT be trusting a viewfinder or monitor for this. Ideally, you'll use an incident meter and a spot meter AND/OR a scope so that you can accurately see if the green is lit evenly.

The best way to light a large green screen is with LARGE soft sources and/or KINO FLOS or the sun, of course. 🙂

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Posted : 07/01/2011 5:31 pm
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