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(@strongbad)
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When I watch a movie I, along with most other people,notice that the angles switch. I mean in one scene with two people talking at a table you could go from an over the shoulder shot, a CU of each actors faces, a master shot of both of them...etc etc..

So, there could something like 8 different angles of just two people talking in a scene. My question is how is this done. Does the director just do the whole entire scene 8 times? Or how does that work.

Also I've seen this in a movie before (I forget the name of it) two people were in a car talking and the camera cut to a CU of one of the actors playing around with something on the dashboard, then the camera cut back to the actor talking. However during those two cuts, the dialogue kept flowing smoothly and if you were to close your eyes and just listen you'd never be able to tell they cut. How is that done?

Thanks!

 
Posted : 17/08/2005 4:41 pm
(@certified-instigator)
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You got it!

The scene will be shot several times:
Scene 22 - will be the master shot - the two people sitting at the table
Scene 22A - will be the close up of Roger
Scene 22B - will be the over-the-shoulder on Roger
Scene 22C - will be the close up of Kelly
Scene 22D - will be the over-the-shoulder on Kelly
Scene 22E - will be an overhead shot
Scene 22F - will be a slow dolly push in on Roger
Scene 22G - will be a slow dolly push in on Kelly
Scene 22H - will be and insert shot of Roger lighting a cigarette
Scene 22J - will be an insert shot of Kelly placing the contract on the table.

And this goes on and on until the entire scene is covered - until all the shots the director wants have been shot.

You won't use I or O on the slate because those letters could be confused with the numbers 1 and 0. For scenes with five or six actors, or scenes with lots of action you will go into double letters - after 22Z, you will use 22AA and after 22ZZ you will use 22AAA.

The consistent audio that you're asking about (the car scene) is done in editing. You will use the entire audio track (without cutting) and then put in your inserts (one of the actors playing around with something on the dashboard) in. since the audio wasn't cut there is no change in the sound.

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Posted : 17/08/2005 5:13 pm
(@rjschwarz)
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certified instigator explains it well but I've one thing to add. There are two ways of doing this.

(1) Film the scene 8 times all the way through with a different camera set for each angle. In editing you shift and cut to what works well. This can be harder on the actors (fresh performace 8 times?) but ensures tons of coverage and doesn't require the same level of pre-planning (2) requires.

(2) Shoot the master shot from beginning to end but after that use storyboards and shotlists to determine what parts of the scene are shot from what angle and shoot them and only them then move to the next angle. This is how Hitchcock did it. It doesn't take as long for longer scenes with lots of angles but requires a lot of pre-planning. If something doesn't work out and you lose an angle or things don't work out as well as you thought you might be screwed though. Get coverage.

RJSchwarz
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Posted : 17/08/2005 6:38 pm
(@nerd_weed)
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HI, i never done a film before but im starting on it... but i think this angles could be done with 2 or more cameras... but it will be a pain in the ass editing and mixing it unless you share the audio output plug with all the cameras... im pretty sure that an audio source splitter is an easy thing to find... i'll probably find it for less then 5 bucks in a popular market near here. Doing like that all the tapes(or cards or what ever)will have the same audio with the same synch... Thats the way i was figuring out to do my project..
Well... no need to say the scene should be well though at firts... once a saw in an "under the scene" the draws on each camera positicion in the same scene... i think this really help

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Brazilian cinema should be a copy of the hollywood model with our history or sell misery as a country characteristic. FORA GLOBO FILMES !!!!!!!

 
Posted : 17/08/2005 11:25 pm
(@rjschwarz)
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Multiple cameras are often used in television. Advantage is if a take is good you've got the exact same thing on two cameras. The disadvantage is you have to pay for two cameras and the lighting for both angles will be identical.

Since lighting is what seperates cinema from television the inability to change lighting "could" be a big deal. Then again it may not be.

Multiple cameras are almost always used to capture tricky stunts so that if something goes wrong with one camera you don't have to repeat the stunt or explosion or whatever.

RJSchwarz
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Posted : 18/08/2005 6:06 pm
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