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(@15filmakernyc)
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I've never seen Ghost rider, but in the trailer there's this part where he's looking at his hands and smoke is coming from them. I was wondering if anyone knew how to do this effect and what aspect of film would that be, special effects, makeup or both. On Smallville and Superman, just before he's about to use heat vision his eyes turn red. I also wanted to know how to do this, whether it be getting contacts for the actor or using a program. Actually effects wise how do they show things like metal turn orange or red then show smoke coming from it?

 
Posted : 11/06/2007 12:04 am
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Most of that would have to do with a visual effects program I'd assume.

 
Posted : 11/06/2007 1:48 am
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What visual effects program would be best?

 
Posted : 11/06/2007 8:14 am
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effects lab, fxhome.com, will cost you a bit

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Posted : 11/06/2007 12:56 pm
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Originally posted by rsteenoven

effects lab, fxhome.com, will cost you a bit


fxhome seems pretty affordable; i tried their demo and was a bit disappointed at the program's lack of versatility in opening or importing various video file formats, it seemed like it just wanted one format if I recall; hopefully that has changed or will.

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Posted : 11/06/2007 1:23 pm
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What were you trying to import? Only file type it doesn't recognise for me is .m2t

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Posted : 11/06/2007 2:13 pm
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well, i got the demo aswell, i was quite happy with the different stuff, i was trying out night vision, light sabering and on composite lab ive been doing some green screening, Effects lab is one of the best ones out there for the job you want to do.

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Posted : 11/06/2007 2:14 pm
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quote:


Originally posted by rizzo

What were you trying to import? Only file type it doesn't recognise for me is .m2t


I don't recall, it was several months ago. Perhaps newer version is better at import. You might try renaming .m2t to .mpeg or .mpg as I believe that is all the .m2t file is.

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Posted : 11/06/2007 4:18 pm
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The movie DEAD HATE THE LIVING had a horrible fire effect near the the end. The fire actually looked okay, but the room was dark. Fire casts light. It looked wrong on a basic level.

One key to making decent CG fire is to light the face and other nearby objects as if there were a fire there. A wrinkled coppery bounceboard reflecting light onto the face from the right direction would really help when animated fire was placed in front of the face. The bigger the fire the more light.

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Posted : 11/06/2007 4:23 pm
(@15filmakernyc)
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So anything in the movie dealing with fire should be near an actual fire?

 
Posted : 12/06/2007 10:41 am
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Originally posted by 15filmakernyc

So anything in the movie dealing with fire should be near an actual fire?


No, you've got to light the scene as if there was an actual fire, then you can add the realistic fire in later. It's like adding a cg explosion, you need to light up the actors faces as if the explosion had happened for it to look realistic etc

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Posted : 12/06/2007 11:04 am
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you can do that sort of stuff on effects lab

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Posted : 12/06/2007 2:20 pm
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Rizzo is right. Reflect light from out of frame onto the actors so that it looks like it came from the fire. Then when the fire is there it will look like that light came from the fire. Otherwise you have fire that produces no light on nearby objects and it looks fake, fake, fake no matter how good the fire itself looks.

I suggest a bounceboard so the light is diffused and not direct. I would also suggest you cover the bouceboard in some kind of amber or copper colored aluminum foil (not sure what it's called). Crinkle the foil so that the reflected light really looks like firelight.

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Posted : 12/06/2007 2:35 pm
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Had a muck around with some of that Detonation film stock footage. You can do the ambient light adding in post like I've done here, but I wouldn't like to try it with firelight, much too complicated.

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Posted : 12/06/2007 10:20 pm
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Is this as complicated as it sounds?
Ok i think i get fire but wat about smoke? How does that work? Is there a difference between a smoke and fog machine?

 
Posted : 12/06/2007 10:41 pm
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