One of my favorite directors (male or female) is Kathryn Bigelow. She directed NEAR DARK (one of my all time fave films) and POINT BREAK. Unfortunately, she kind of slowed down when STRANGE DAYS and K-19 THE WIDOWMAKER didn't do that well at the box office.

I like action, sci-fi, horror and I wish more women did, too - both behind the camera and in front of it. Yes, it is a boys' club, but being a boy just makes you like the rest, where a woman is rare enough to get noticed. That can be a huge advantage, especially if you have the talent to deliver.

I definitely take note of female filmmakers - not the producer type who doesn't really know the techniques, but the people who actually get in the trenches and make movies. Before making my last indie feature, EXILE, I saw an interview with Tiffany Sinclair, who directed a good no budget flick, called PRAEY. She is really good with makeup FX and has a cinematic eye. Her then boyfriend, Brian Sheridan, was the lead actor and was also excellent. I hired them both and flew them in from Washington state to work on the movie. Best collaboration I ever had.

If you're interested, I discuss that experience here:

?url? http://www.roguecinema.com/article1754.html?/url?

If you scroll down to the picture of me looking through the camera, I talk about working with Tiffany and the others in those paragraphs.

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Originally posted by Jennifer

Something that is a bit intimidating for me is that Hollywood is a boys club. I think women directors are the next up and coming thing.

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I'd be interested in how you came to this? Women have
been directing films in Hollywood (and around the world)
for over 90 years. What makes you think that now women
directors are the next big thing?

And in my understanding Hollywood is a money club. Any
director who can make money is going to be a member
of that club. Since there are a lot of women execs in the
major (and minor) studios, I am under the impression the
"glass ceiling" has already been broken and nothing is off
limits to an excellent, money making woman director.

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Does anyone know of any good films that were directed by women?

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I know quite a few. But sometimes when we talk about
"good" we get into trouble. It's impossible to define "good".
What I may think is good, you may not like.

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The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress.
Joseph Joubert, essayist (1754-1824)

There aren't many women Above-the-Line at all. A few women are in the trenches directing television (ie Strong Medicine) or features (Betty Thomas is one of the few who also has a reputation for being somewhat harsh).

A friend of mine produced and directed an award winning documentary a few years ago, but despite many meetings with established Producers and Show Runners, she couldn't get arrested.

It's definitely rough and it's a reality I've tried to impart to women who have asked before. My publisher even fought me on how to refer to Directors in my book. Being mostly female in that office, they edited the Director chapter to say "she" and "her" in order to "encourage" women despite my book being about the ofttimes unpleasant realities. (I fought them hard insisting that because MOST professional Directors are male, that references in that chapter were more accurately male... I lost the battle).

There are some books out there that speak to the women in the industry:

Women Behind the Camera: Conversations with Camerawomen (Paperback)
by Alexis Krasilovsky (Author)
Product Details
Paperback: 248 pages
Publisher: Praeger Paperback (April 30, 1997)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0275957454
ISBN-13: 978-0275957452

and the list on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=women+in+film&x=0&y=0

And you may get better responses to your concerns by visiting these sites:

http://moviesbywomen.com - the premier website about movies directed by women.

http://www.wif.org Women in Film Los Angeles
http://www.womeninfilm-seattle.org
http://www.nywift.org New York Women in Film and Television
http://www.wifv.org/
http://www.pswift.org/
http://www.bawift.org/
http://www.bama.ua.edu/?mbarrett/filmwsslinks.html
http://www.wift-houston.org/
http://www.wifdallas.org/
http://www.womeninfilm.ca/
http://www.womeninfilmfl.org/
http://www.throughwomenseyes.com/
http://www.sdwff.org/
http://girlsonfilmnetwork.org/
http://www.birds-eye-view.co.uk/
http://www.womenbehindthecamera.com/
http://www.weliveinpublicthemovie.com/2009/08/13/bitch-magazine-on-women-in-film/

And if you are interested:

http://www.afi.com/education/dww/
http://www.creativewomenworkshops.com/default.php

Good luck!

Brian Dzyak
Cameraman/Author
IATSE Local 600, SOC
http://www.whatireallywanttodo.com
http://www.realfilmcareer.com

Leni Riefenstahl comes to mind as a good director.

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Originally posted by Jennifer

I've also been researching on women directors, unfortunately lots of them focus on romantic comedies. I found a couple that did action but there were not that many. Nothing intrigued me as much as films like "Pulp Fiction," "Natural Born Killers," and of course my favorite the "Matrix."

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This is correct. You take out the Sophia Coppolas, Penny Marchalls and Jane Campions and I can't think of a single sci-fi woman director, save for Bigelow. Now, I'm not searching, but off the top of my head all that come to mind are men. In that sense, it is a boys' club.

However, I don't fault men for there being a boys club. I fault the women who won't take on technology and make it happen. Go to any technical forum and they are usually all guys. I'm a synthesizer programmer and composer, so when I go to Korg Forums, Harmony-Central's KSS, Analogia or any of the myriad of tech sites, I can count the women on one hand. That's just how it is.

Since it can be foreign to women, usually talk to them and encourage them to go through with the dream. I'm a happily married guy, so it has nothing to do with getting a date; I honestly am intrigued and want to see more women in the corner of movies that I like.

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Originally posted by certified instigator

It's impossible to define "good".
What I may think is good, you may not like.

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I have to strongly disagree with this. I am not a fan of THE LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy, but I will yield to popular opinion and admit they are "good". I can understand having different tastes, but there is no denying the quality or craftsmanship apparent in movies.

I have about 200 no budget indie movies - BONE SICKNESS, PIZZA THE MOVIE, KISSES AND CAROMS, ZOMBIE DIARIES, RECON 2020, ON THE FRINGE, etc, etc, - you know, no budget indie movies. I have communicated with every one of these filmmakers and know a lot of them. Now, I am an honest person. As you know, it is easy to dismiss all indies and the bulk of Hollywood as crap and remakes. Not me. I actually like 90% of Hollywood movies and a much smaller percentage of no budget indies.

You can take ON THE FRINGE - nice New England backdrop, decent characters and writing, but I hate the video look of it, some of the sound, etc. RECON 2020 has a lot of slick action, good costumes, strong editing and locations, but I don't like the story.

I have to do this with all indies - take what's good about them and point it out. You can't compare a 10K movie to a 50 million dollar Hollywood flick.........though people will do that. I take into account someone's resources. More money often translates into a more professional crew and effects.

I like it when people take a movie like TERMINATOR: SALVATION and compare it to the James Cameron originals. Me, I look at the fact that McG (CHARLIE'S ANGELS) is directing and I temper my expectations going in. I would be stupid to expect something half as good as what Cameron accomplished.

It really isn't hard to say that someone wrote a pretty good story, or framed a good shot, just like it's pretty apparent that most indie movies' sound sucks, because they use the on camera mic. You can tell a good edit from a bad edit not from what decade we are in, but because the shot cuts right when someone starts to move or the continuity from shot to shot doesn't match, changes screen direction, etc.

I know a good exposure compared to a shot of a black man in an alley, but you can't see his face, because it's underexposed, doesn't use a reflector, etc. Does it sound good? Does it look good? Then technically it's good. You can also take these points up with writing and story.

When I watch an indie movie, my main concern is not whether an effect looks bad, but rather how it is used and is it serving the story. If it's so bad that it distracts from the story, then that is a legitimate beef.

Sorry Scoopicman, but you lost me. I read your post several times
and I just dont understand what your point is - or your strong
disagreement.

Is it that you can find something good in every film? Or is it
that there are technical elements that are clearly good and bad?

You didnt like the story of On the Fringe but found good things
in it. And you would be stupid to expect something half as good
as Terminator with Terminator: Salvation

Thats exactly my point - the point you strongly disagree with.
That defining good is impossible.

I loved the story of On the Fringe. You didnt. That doesnt
make the story either good or bad - it means I liked a story that
you didnt like.

Perhaps I should have said; Other than specific technical aspects
like clear audio, focus and exposure its impossible to define
good. A story I may really like you might not like.

Anyway, we have veared off topic. Jennifer asked if any of us know
of any good films that were directed by women. Ill go ahead and
mention several. How about YOUR list, Scoopicman?

The Hurt Locker - Im a Bigalow fan, too. I worked on Near Dark
Grace of my Heart - Allison Anders
Starstruck - Gillian Armstrong
One Night - Niki Karimi
Monsoon Wedding - Mira Nair
A League of their Own - Penny Marshall
The Stunt Woman - Ann Hui
Fast Time at Ridgemont High - Amy Heckerling
Across the Universe - Julie Taymor

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The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress.
Joseph Joubert, essayist (1754-1824)

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Originally posted by certified instigator

Sorry Scoopicman, but you lost me. I read your post several times
and I just dont understand what your point is - or your strong
disagreement.

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Sorry, my wife was rushing me into a card game, so I was writing fast and kind of spastically. I don't want to veer off topic for too long, but you misunderstood me about ON THE FRINGE. I like the same things you did about it. My problem was with some of the video and audio quality. Writing was good.

As far as my point, "good" and "bad" has been well defined, whether it be camera composition, audio quality, writing, etc. But, there is a variable, which is how well one does with resources - hence I give leeway to small films that don't have pro resources. I'm glad that you liked ON THE FRINGE, because that tells me that you understand part of what I'm trying to get across.

I guess what I was disagreeing with was the politically correct attitude of sitting on the fence, saying that there is no good or bad, to each his own. I'm saying that there are fairly clear examples.

Jennifer was looking for female filmmakers having done the likes of PULP FICTION, NATURAL BORN KILLERS and THE MATRIX, but there isn't much of a female equivalent, outside of Bigelow.

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Im a Bigalow fan, too. I worked on Near Dark

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Wow, what did you do on that? I was finishing film school at the U of A, when they shot that, nearby. I've seen it about 20 times and often play the Tangerine Dream soundtrack.

As for my list, I agree with a couple of yours. Kathryn Bigalow is at the top of it. I like both NEAR DARK and POINT BREAK. Some others:

Jennifer Lynch - BOXING HELENA
Penny Marshall - BIG
Mimi Leder - DEEP IMPACT
Jane Campion - THE PIANO
Mary Lambert - PET SEMETARY
Antonia Bird - RAVENOUS
Mary Harron - AMERICAN PSYCHO

Those are movies that I actually like, so I'm not going to make a long list of the likes of Nora Ephron, Elaine May, Rachel Talalay, etc.

CLUELESS is an incredible film (by Amy Heckerling).

Brian Dzyak
Cameraman/Author
IATSE Local 600, SOC
http://www.whatireallywanttodo.com
http://www.realfilmcareer.com

The "On the Fringe" mistake was mine. I skipped over the point where
you changes from that movie to "Recon 2020".

But my point was not fence sitting, political correctness. When it comes
to what people think is "good" I don't think there is a standard we can
all agree on. Outside of the technical. And even then I know there is a
lot of disagreement on what is "good" visual efx, editing, music choices...

You said you agree with a couple of my choices. Am I to understand that
you disagree with some? So you think some of my choices are not good
films?

For example there are three on your list that I think are terrible films. My
point is, my feeling doesn't make them bad films. But I COULD say to you,
"She asked for good films. Why did you include three bad ones?" And then
we end up in a discussion of what is good or bad....

Which we got into anyway.

Veering even farther off topic - sorry Jennifer:

There is a little 99 seat theater here in L.A. doing "Point Break
Live" on stage. The night I saw it, Kathryn and Peter Lliff were
there.

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The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress.
Joseph Joubert, essayist (1754-1824)

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Originally posted by certified instigator

When it comes
to what people think is "good" I don't think there is a standard we can
all agree on.

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That is a valid point of view. But, don't be afraid to piss some people off, which I might have done here. :>)

My viewpoint is more along the lines of - there are "taste preferences" and good or bad. I don't like the LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy very much. LOST IN TRANSLATION and CITIZEN KANE are fairly boring to me. Some people don't like THE DARK KNIGHT, STAR WARS, etc. Yet, all are good. There is usually a consensus - IMDB vote average, Critics' average on Rotten Tomatoes, etc.

My error, though I meant everything in my "disagree" post, was that Jennifer is asking for good as it correlates to the 3 titles she mentioned. That was a taste or style criteria. My bad there.

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You said you agree with a couple of my choices. Am I to understand that
you disagree with some? So you think some of my choices are not good
films?

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I trust your choices are good examples. I was unfamiliar with a couple, so I agreed with the ones I knew about.

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For example there are three on your list that I think are terrible films. My
point is, my feeling doesn't make them bad films.

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Yeah, some of those aren't very strong, but those are female directed movies that I'm familiar with. I'm a horror/thriller fan, so I like all of those. I'm guessing the three you didn't like were RAVENOUS, PET CEMETARY and BOXING HELENA?

While I lost you in that hastily written initial post, I was trying to give you some background as to how I think. I give more credit to a movie that tries to stretch as far as it can on little resources (EL MARIACHI, EVIL DEAD) than I do to a movie that has whatever it wants (TRANSFORMERS 2). I like a lot of flicks that people might consider bad (DARK STAR, BAD TASTE, MEET THE FEEBLES). As an example, there are people who brush off 90% of all movies as terrible, but if they made a few, they would start appreciating the good elements that were there, all along.

As for my personal tastes, I don't like a lot pretentious, boring Oscar nominees - I am not an Ang Lee fan. I'm not into weak remakes like THE FOG. I'm getting tired of shaky cam movies, though I just bought REC. I do like the underrated little guys, like John Dahl's REDROCK WEST and THE LAST SEDUCTION. The other night, we watched HUSH, which was all right, but it was a British take off of the much superior BREAKDOWN, starring Kurt Russell.

What I'm really hard on would be the mostly derivitive scripts that keep getting sent to me. If I can head off a bad story at the pass, I will. :>)

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Originally posted by Scoopicman
My viewpoint is more along the lines of - there are "taste preferences" and good or bad.

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Exactly my point of view. There is no "good" or "bad" only
preferences. A point of view you strongly disagreed with
when I said, "It's impossible to define "good". What I may
think is good, you may not like.".

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I don't like the LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy very much. LOST IN TRANSLATION and CITIZEN KANE are fairly boring to me. Some people don't like THE DARK KNIGHT, STAR WARS, etc. Yet, all are good. There is usually a consensus - IMDB vote average, Critics' average on Rotten Tomatoes, etc.

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Talk about a politically correct, on the fence place to
stand. No matter what, every film is good.

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While I lost you in that hastily written initial post, I was trying to give you some background as to how I think.

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Which, again, was exactly my point when I said It's
impossible to define "good". We each come to our
opinions about movies from very different places.
Just because you don't like a lot pretentious, boring
Oscar nominees and aren't an Ang Lee fan doesn't
mean those movies are "bad". It only means you
don't like them. So you and I agree.

And that was my point. It's impossible to define
"good". You can not like something I like. So coming
up with a list of good movies directed by women
needs more information in order to come up with a
worthwhile list.

While you think I was taking the politically correct
attitude of sitting on the fence, I thought I was
focusing the question to Jennifer's personal taste
in films - trying to get some background on how
she thinks.

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Originally posted by Scoopicman
But, don't be afraid to piss some people off, which I might have done here. :>)

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First: with my "name" do you think I ever fear
pissing people off? I'm an instigator.
Second: who do you think you may have pissed
off here?

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The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress.
Joseph Joubert, essayist (1754-1824)

Hi thanks for all the responses, I guess what I meant is a list of women directors that do Action/Horror/Sci-Fi I guess. I agree Hollywood seems to be a money club. I am going to be completely honest, I do not know ANYTHING about the technical aspects of film. I know a lot about writing. I have been writing all my life and I am trying to discover if film is the medium for my vision.

Luckily, I have the opportunity to try it out inexpensively at my local community college. My first class is going to be in Cinematography. I will say I am clueless whether I will be good at it or not. I don't know if I just want to write screenplays (something I know I can do) or full out direct and produce. I know either way is going to be difficult, but I am going to try something different.

I actually have my own business that is on hiatus now and am looking into branching it out again soon...It is an e-zine that promotes independent writers, artists, musicians, and filmmakers. I had a good network of people I was working with and really enjoyed it. I didn't make any money but it was fun making connections and I even paid people out of my own pocket. I am thinking of how to promote that too. I'm thinking about having a contest once my site is up and running again.

I have also written professionally as a freelancer, but I have a story and I see it playing out in film. I like to have control of my art though and am very picky to the point of perfectionism. I would not let anyone read my writing for a very long time until someone convinced me it was good enough. I want all creative control of the film, so that is why the technical aspects interest me. I'm not a mean control freak like I sound, I swear. lol. I just have seen some really poorly made films.

I will say at this point I don't necessarily know what makes a good film. I can tell what good writing is, but I know when I see a bad film. The most obvious thing I notice is bad acting first, followed by bad storyline. The bad storyline is not usually discovered until the end. However, sometimes it is just a bad ending to a good story. An example of that would be below:

I want to re-write the endings of a lot of the movies I see, especially ones by M. Night Shyamalan, who starts out really good and just ends the movie abruptly. He has had good films but he peaked in "The 6th Sense" and the writing in my opinion has been lackluster since. "The Lady in the Water," ended so abruptly. He is still a creative genius but I just think he could end his movies better. I remember how excited I was to see "The Happening," wow, that was such a good story but the ending......I can't remember what I would do differently but I know that I was disappointed.

My favorite movie (that I've seen so far)for the writing is "The Cell,"(written by Mark Protosevich) and the visuals were awesome too. The thought of being able to walk through someone else's mind is something I have always wanted to do, just to see what other people are thinking. The concept of the movie was just really cool. However, I did not enjoy "I am Legend," I don't remember why. It also was very different from the original story. I remember the original movie being a bit silly too.

Sci-Fi is usually either really good or really really bad. I love "Logan's Run," and it reminds me of "The Island," which I heard a lot of people didn't like by I actually enjoyed it. I loved "A Scanner Darkly," and am a Philip K. Dick fan. I also am a big fan of "The Twilight Zone," TV series. I'm not a trekkie, I liked Star Wars, but wasn't obsessed with it. I was very young when it came out and I thought it was cool but I liked the concept of the Matrix better. I have that whole philosophical or conspiracy slant to my writing, so I guess I prefer Sci-Fi movies or novels like that. I recently saw a really low budget film that was Sci-Fi (I can't remember what it was called) with a great storyline and I thought was pretty good.

I guess what I really meant about women directors is that all the directors I admire are men! The same thing is true with music too for the most part with exceptions for Janis Joplin, Grace Slick, etc. It does sound like I have a lot of movie watching to do still. I guess I miss out on a lot with my mind being so busy all the time.

I will have to check out Kathryn Bigelow, amazingly I haven't seen any of those films. It's funny because as a child I was rather sheltered from watching any movies other than PG and as an adult, until Netflix I didn't really have the time or money to catch up. I have a lot to learn and to see. Thanks.

I have seen "A League of their Own" as a child, and I liked it then, but it is not the direction my writing will lead me in. I am more into writing Sci-Fi, and Thrillers.

I hope this is what I want to do and that it is something I will enjoy doing. I have tried so many things- Culinary Arts, Psychology, Special Ed Teacher, Travel and Tourism, Art, Sociology, English, and now I am just saying I have no clue. I just want to find an outlet for my writing. I also want an opportunity for a day job with technical aspects. I think I would be much happier working at a local TV station or production company than siting in a cubicle. At least my cubicle is only part time....Which reminds me that I'm watching "Office Space," tonight. It is one of my all time favorites because it is so true about how life is working in an office. I wish I could write comedy, but I'm not really funny except in an unintentional living, breathing Lucy from "I Love Lucy" kind of way. 🙂

You dont need to be told this, but Ill say it anyway.

Every single director working today, both men and women, were at
one time completely clueless about the technical aspect of film.
and each one of them learned.

Youre starting that learning process. In a few years youll know
a lot more than you do now.

You have a leg up already. Youre a writer. What an excellent way
to get into the industry. Write several scripts. Work your way in
as a writer. Nora Ephron is one who comes to mind who did that.
Do more volunteer work on films sets. You can watch and learn on
even student films.

And since all the directors you admire are men, now is a great
time to begin expanding your knowledge of women directors. Right
now, just from Scoopicman and me you have about 20 films from 16
different woman directors to start with. Who knows, maybe youll
find one or two to admire from this list.

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Originally posted by JenniferMy favorite movie (that I've seen so far)for the writing is "The Cell,"(written by Mark Protosevich) and the visuals were awesome too. The thought of being able to walk through someone else's mind is something I have always wanted to do, just to see what other people are thinking.

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Along those lines, but not as impressive as THE CELL, check out BRAINSTORM and Bigelow's STRANGE DAYS.

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I recently saw a really low budget film that was Sci-Fi (I can't remember what it was called) with a great storyline and I thought was pretty good.

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Give me a hint. For no budget sci-fi, RED COCKROACHES and PRIMER are mind benders. Each was made for only a few thousand dollars.

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I guess what I really meant about women directors is that all the directors I admire are men!

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This is the part where I say to toss out gender considerations and aspire towards the work that you like. If you are lured by a style like that of THE MATRIX, then that's what you like.

However, do watch Kathryn Bigelow's movies!!! She was briefly married to Mr. sci-fi, James Cameron. She even used a good part of the ALIENS' cast for her vampire movie, NEAR DARK. I've never seen a vampire movie like that one; it's a great 80's flick. What I like about Bigelow is that the material does not reveal her gender. She is just a damn good director, period.

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I am more into writing Sci-Fi, and Thrillers.

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Some recommendations, if you are interested.

NEAR DARK
SHALLOW GRAVE
GINGER SNAPS
KALIFORNIA
HARD CANDY
THE DESCENT
THE LAST SEDUCTION
FREEWAY
REDROCK WEST
ROMEO IS BLEEDING
MUTE WITNESS
THESIS
THE HIDDEN
DISTRICT 9
PITCH BLACK
THE TERMINATOR
DEMON SEED
SERENITY
ALTERED
MIRACLE MILE
SUNSHINE
SPECIES
CAT PEOPLE
CUBE
THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT
LET THE RIGHT ONE IN
MIDNIGHT MEAT TRAIN
RUN LOLA RUN
SOMETHING WILD
TIME CRIMES
THE INVASION

DOOMSDAY has holes in its story (cannibals surround by cows), but it and UNDERWORLD: EVOLUTION have strong female leads.

I have to echo certified instigator and say that knowing what you want as a writer will go along way to visualizing as a director. Again, you should eventually find yourself a good DP, who has a look that you really like. It's not that you need to know every piece of gear used, but you should develop a feel for the composition and the edited scene. Know how you want a scene to go together and transition to another scene, much like a board of index card for your story. Your script might be represented by 40 story cards, each with a different story point that you can rearrange on the board.

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Originally posted by certified instigator

Talk about a politically correct, on the fence place to
stand. No matter what, every film is good.

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Closer. I happen to think that most films are good, so it shouldn't be a problem to state that TELL NO ONE or BROTHERHOOD OF THE WOLF are good. I even have a few reasons as to why I think so, which should qualify them. Which brings me to........ If you state that BIODOME or HOUSE OF THE DEAD are good, we could have a real debate. Of course, I'll wait for anybody from this forum to claim those are good movies. If anything, they might be entertaining bad movies.

Despite my above list of what I don't like, The above titles are the first bad movies I have mentioned on this thread. I can name others that are written and crafted to the point of bad, but this is where I may understand your point of view better.

You work in the industry, so you risk making a personal statement by railing against a movie. On another forum, I exclaimed that SKINNED DEEP is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Stefan Avalos (director of THE LAST BROADCAST) scolded me, because he knew the director and he is a good guy. Well I wouldn't be doing the director any favors by lying, and I won't, but I did feel a little guilty for bringing it up. I now own a copy of it!

I just watched a movie called BOG. Boy was that bad. Don Dohler's THE GALAXY INVADER is bad, but so bad as to be enjoyable. I have bad all over the place in my collection - NIGHT OF THE DEMON, OASIS OF THE ZOMBIES, OCTAMAN, TERROR IN THE SWAMP, INN OF THE DAMNED, SANTA CLAUS CONQUERS THE MARTIANS, TEENAGERS FROM OUTER SPACE, etc.

I have no problem listing bad and those flicks make BOXING HELENA look like an Oscar winner.

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Just because you don't like a lot pretentious, boring
Oscar nominees and aren't an Ang Lee fan doesn't
mean those movies are "bad".

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Those are in fact, good! I just don't like them. I can't refute the writing and craftsmanship.

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with my "name" do you think I ever fear
pissing people off? I'm an instigator.
Second: who do you think you may have pissed
off here?

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Ah, I see your point! Well, I'll leave it with me understanding your point of view. I don't expect you to succumb to my reasoning or repetition, but if we made each other think, we have made progress with this discussion (hence the saying in your signature). :>)